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  • Writer's pictureCourtney Heard

The Gift of Real Clouds

I met Elaine after I gave my talk in Calgary. She’d come to hear what I had to say and afterward, she told me her family’s story. When I heard what she had to say, I knew I needed to have her on the podcast. Elaine and her sister Emma join me to talk about why their parents haven’t met their granddaughter and why they had to go to Mexico to experience, “real clouds.’


Also, be sure to watch me tell my family’s story at the We Can Reason Conference in Calgary here.



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